Rejection feedback

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section, but I figured this was the best place to ask.

I've just had this picture rejected for the following reason: "The blue is over saturated, it is not the KLM blue that is in other photos. Please feel free to appeal this decision."

I can understand over-saturation, but the KLM blue is very susceptible to changes in light. Just look at these:

Am I wrong in thinking that this is an "unfair" rejection?

With the greatest of respect, how can the screeners reject that when all the time they are accepting and uploading themselves, overcooked so called creative stuff, serious double standards on here.

Just doesnt look good when A-P staff are uploading grossly over processed KLM photos that should be rejected then.

No Rene, i think your are correct, it is an "unfair" rejection based on the standards used on this website.

Darryl, I agree on that.. Wallace, i have seen uploads on here which are way out the histogram. By FM or any other. The clipping in this is the white reflection which are purely 255. If i look at this image on my screen i can't see anything wrong other than it isn't in the database. If any of the other screeners screen as you do "which should be standard procedure if you really want to screen in a good way" this site would have very few acceptions. And don't start about me not being a screener, the images are provided here in this topic... And since we are using examples, i looked at some, not being disrespectful towards the photographers... Purely examples, and there a a whole bunch of them. They must have been accepted under the "creative" motto, so i really do not understand the rejection.

[img]http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/221061/ph-bxp-klm-boeing-737-900/[img] double standards

http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215336/ph-bfl-klm-boeing-747-400/ seriously, you can never reject based on your decision if such shots are already accepted.

http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/226526/ph-akd-klm-airbus-a330-300/ this is a different color completly

Nothing wrong with your technical screening, but that is not how this site works...:)

Grts,

This post has been edited by Andras Brandligt on 5th August 2012 - 18:38

I'm not aiming for criticism on the screeners here. I've accepted their decision. And with the feedback that Wallace Shackleton has provided I'm sure their reasoning was just.

I was only looking for feedback as to why that decision was made. imo he made a fair argument.

I thought he was going by "KLM color" only, but he pointed out that it was my Histogram that was off. So I can accept that

I've had photo's rejected here and on a.net as well plenty of times. I'm just looking for reasons why, so I can improve my workflow and pay better attention next time.

I will not point to other pictures on this site and ask things like "what about this one?"

It is my job to get my shots right. And YES, I know it's often more an opinion, rather than a 100% objective reason.

@Wallace Shackleton: thanks for your input :)

Well, i'm confused Rene, based on the images accepted here i don't think he made a fair argument. But i will refrain from any other comments since it is a useless discussion, no offense towards you Wallace.

I'll stick to uploading to one place only, since i can't find the proper atmosphere in here as well (sitewise), the peeps are great fun! :)

I agree with all that has been said. Maybe the site should be for full members only, and do away with the screening.

Just appeal, where's the problem? I also think the decision of the screener was wrong but there's always another way to solve the problem.

Cheers

I wasn't looking for a way to solve the problem. I was looking for the reason why my photo got rejected ;)

And an appeal is no longer possible..So as far as I'm concerned, this is a closed case. I was happy with the reason that Wallace provided.

I'll try harder next time

I have found it necessary to remove three posts from this thread, which I consider to be wholly unconnected with the intention of the original poster.

This debate will NOT be hijacked and filled full of acerbic comments by a self serving minority who seem to be on a crusade to undermine the intentions of this web site.

LET IT BE UNDERSTOOD THAT NOTHING can be changed through debate on these forums, if ANYONE has a problem with the way this site is being run then they have two clear choices the first is to make a formal complaint to the senior members and the person that actually OWNS this web site via Team@Airplane-Pictures.net the second is to take their pictures to another web site that fully agrees with their views.

I have not taken this decision lightly and it is as much as I can do as a Forum Moderator to stop this digression for the reasons outlined above.

TAKE THIS AS A WARNING.

I AM FULLY PREPARED TO TAKE FURTHER MODERATING ACTIONS SHOULD I FEEL IT TO BE NECESSARY.

Hi Wallace,

It's like i read twitter complaints about #Vodafone and they are not taking action while reading those. :)

I have sent an email requesting deletion of my images from this site, but still haven't heard anything yet. Can you please look into this? It's a shame that nothing is done about all kinds of issues which seem to be expanding more and more. Solutions actually would contribute to a positive and successful site, but now the opposite is happening.. I will not repeat all strange stuff goin on, but please, execute my request ASAP.

Kind regards,

It's getting worst by the day around here, probably isn't worth your time on the appeal Rene!

I feel kinda bad for sparking all this rage towards the site.

I know it's not completely my fault because these feelings clearly have been around longer.

But I've stated twice that I'm OK with their decision. I can accept the fact that my pictures get rejected. I will never point to other pictures and call out "that's not fair, just look at that photo".

I know I have used other photo's in the OP, but that's because I thought the reason for rejection was that the color wasn't the "KLM color". However Wallace has pointed out that my Histogram was spiking. That's a technical error I can accept.

I do not wish to be the spark that starts a flame-war on this website. I simply wanted some feedback on my photo. My mistake was that I posted it in this forum in stead of appealing it.

Mornin'

Don't worry Rene, nothing wrong with your post. Stop explainig your "acceptance" towards your own rejections, that would mean you are uploading for nothing. Wallace technically is correct but the error is a needle in a haystack. If you look at the latest uploads, its not in balance with the reasons stated by Wallace, no matter how much effort he puts in his screening. No offence Wallace, but it looks like you put too much energy in your screening. (here and now) It somehow reminds me like mopping the floor with the water running..;) At least I think.

Regards,

Rene, don't feel bad about anything. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that image at all. A very bad screening decision IMO.

Appeal it....it should be in the database.

While we're talking about KLM blue.....or any other airline colour for that matter: I defy you to find me an aircraft that is exactly the same colour as another of the same airline. The only place you might find that is two successive aircraft just out of the paint shop.

Hi Brian,

I've made a couple of remarks about this in the posts above.

An appeal is no longer possible.

I'll try again when I've got a new set of pictures

Hi Rene,

If the photo had been appealed it would have stood high chances to be accepted to the database. The appeal was designed for cases like this. Do not hesitate to use it. There are about 5 appeals per day and we are as happy as you are that we can correct the decision where the mistake was made.

Feel free to upload this photo again. I am sorry for the trouble.

Martin

Let's not say mistake, it is more a difference of opinion between screeners... but PLEASE do not feel that this entitles ANYONE to re-ignite the Screening Quality debate. My warning still stands for this one.