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Craig Stevens 

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Posted 7 March 2013 - 19:17 CET

Just had a Global Express 6000 G-GVMI rejection and the reason was because of the cheat lines. I don't no about anyone else but I'm all for editing pictures to make them look better but there's a limit. There isn't any point in me taking photographs if my photos aren't going to look natural I want them to look exactly like what I saw through the viewfinder and cheat lines are part of this livery!. Sorry in advance if this offends anybody.

Craig.

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Murmeldeier 

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Posted 7 March 2013 - 21:05 CET

I do not think you will offend anyone ...

I think the issue is not the cheat-line itself but the strange effect the sharpening does on it, especially on the bold line on the top.

Applying too much sharpness on this kind of cheat-line(s) produces some kind of "jaggies" and I know screeners do not like that (I am in fact sure of it as I already have dozends of rejections for that particular reason).

The advise I could give you (but I am not THE Specialist), would be to avoid any sharpness on the cheat lines. (using a selective method).

Darryl Morrell 

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Posted 7 March 2013 - 22:41 CET

The effect gets worse also when you reduce the photo size

Wallace Shackleton 

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Posted 7 March 2013 - 23:22 CET

Just to keep things objective here, this is the full communication on this image, I have removed the Screeners name as it is irrelevant.

Screener

Incorrect exposure - too light. Over-sharpened. Airframe is overexposed and the cheatlines need some selective smoothing to prevent the jagged appearance.

Globex11 - 7. 3. 2013, 00:36:57

Can you delete my account please I don't wish to post my pictures on this website any longer just a total waste of time

What you have here is the series of thin cheat lines being compressed into a small images size and looking awful, as Darryl has mentioned above. The thing to do is make a larger image and you can go up to 1600 pixels or apply some form of selective sharpening to not sharpen the cheat lines do much avoiding the moire effect.

If you still wish to remove all your image then please send a message to the team address at the bottom of this page and they will do it for you, however I suggest that you do not for three reasons, one it is childish thing to do and two you will never learn anything and therefore your photography will never progress past the admiration of your peers and three it's free hosting, what photos you have are OK and you never know that may be the one that someone wants.

The first screener was right, your photo is over exposed with the bulk of the tones on the fuselage breaking through at the 250 mark, which is about the last 2.5% of the histogram containing no useful tonal information.

Lvcivs 

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Posted 8 March 2013 - 02:43 CET

These kind of cheat lines are so tricky to the cameras that they're used as test for the sharpening of lens and camera!

I had a rejection like this on this photo: http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/261627//

The cheat lines on the Citation (bizjet on the left) are oversharpened, right? NO, they come out like this after resize. On my photo, even selective smoothing didn't help.

The photo is a bit too bright as Wallace mentioned, but nothing outrageous. Some negative highlights on CameraRaw or Lightroom would make it perfect. I personally prefer to always leave a full white point, usually where the sun is reflected. That gives a nice contrast to the image.

Wallace Shackleton 

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Posted 8 March 2013 - 11:49 CET

Upon reflection the frustration of Globex11, is typical of many aspiring aviation photographers, I remember becoming very irate with a.net screeners for the same reasons and still do occasionally ;) but we try to be different from the others and to a degree we succeed at that because the screeners by and large genuinely want to help you get your photos accepted, rather than see your photo as part of a daily screening quota.

To refer to a point that you made about screeners in one of your rejection communications, yes we are inconsistent, no two screeners screen in the same way and yes you can try uploading a picture without any modification and yes another screener may see things differently but then again the same screener could see that his efforts to help have been wasted and in effect you have lost a friend and any possible lee-way that the screener would be willing to give.

You tend to forget that we as screeners see a lot of photos, me it's about 30 a day ranging from the out right chancer with a soft camera phone picture to the technically excellent, we see it all, so screeners do know what they are talking about because every single one of us has come up through the ranks and learned our trade the hard way just as you are doing now.

So open your mind, heed advice and never stop learning and trying to be creative

This post has been edited by Wallace Shackleton on 8th March 2013 - 11:49

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